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|  |  |  | | | | | | | | | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | Jul 12, 2010-2:12 PM | | | By: | Bond1965(Member) | I remember seeing this on Select TV when it came out. IMDb provides some trivia related to this: In Act II, there is an extra song ("My Eyes Are Fully Open") that is not originally from "The Pirates of Penzance." It's a modified version of a song from William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan's "Ruddigore". The inclusion of this song required Kevin Kline, Angela Lansbury, and Rex Smith to sing one of most dizzyingly rapid songs in the entire Gilbert and Sullivan catalog. In this version several lines of dialogue and song lyrics have been changed to be comprehensible to an American audience. Thus "Can it be Custom House?" becomes "Can it be the Coast Guard?" Towards the end of the film, the pirates and police interrupt a production of "H.M.S. Pinafore" (also by William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan). Pirates of Penzance was shown on a Los Angeles television movies channel - SelecTV - simultaneously with its theatrical release. This was only the second time that something like this had been tried - in 1956, Laurence Olivier's 1955 film version of Shakespeare's "Richard III" had its U.S. premiere in New York City and its television premiere on NBC on the same day. Like "The Pirates of Penzance", "Richard III" was also a box office flop, but unlike the former film, "Richard III" won universal acclaim from the critics, became a film classic, and was not boycotted during its theatrical run. A boom on the Pirates' ship carries the friendly label "Watch Your Head." This is visible during the "I am a Pirate King" number. Although the chorus consists of British performers, they are all lip-synching to the American singers from the original Broadway production. The film's failure at the box office had nothing to do with the reviews, which were often quite positive. The real problem lay with Universal's decision to release the film simultaneously to SelectTV and to theaters. Theater owners were so angry that they boycotted the film; in the end, a grand total of 92 theaters agreed to show it, and it enjoyed a long run at only one of them (in Washington, DC, where it became a cult success and played several weeks). Estelle Parsons was the only member of the six-person principal cast (Kline, Smith, Rondstadt, Azito, Rose, Parsons) not to appear in the film. She was replaced with Angela Lansbury for Ruth The Broadway production of "The Pirates of Penzance" by William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan opened at the Uris Theater in New York on January 8, 1981 and ran for 787 performances. The musical received four Tony Award nominations for acting including George Rose and Tony Azito who both recreated their roles in the movie version. Linda Ronstadt was nominated for the 1981 Tony Award (New York City) for Actress in a Musical for "Pirates of Penzance" and recreated her role in the film based on this production. Kevin Kline won the 1981 Tony Award (New York City) for Actor in a Musical for "The Pirates of Penzance" and recreated his role in this production. Reportedly, during casting for this movie, John Travolta lost out to Kevin Kline in getting the lead role of The Pirate King. Also, here are the music credits regarding orchestration/etc.: Music Department Peter Asher.... music producer William Elliott.... composer: additional music William Elliott.... music adaptor William Elliott.... orchestrator Frank Filipetti.... music recording engineer Martin Grupp.... music coordinator Chris Kelly.... music editor (as Christopher Kelly) John Strauss.... supervising music editor James 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | Jul 12, 2010-2:42 PM | | | By: | Montana Dave(Member) | I remember seeing this on Select TV when it came out. IMDb provides some trivia related to this: In Act II, there is an extra song ("My Eyes Are Fully Open") that is not originally from "The Pirates of Penzance." It's a modified version of a song from William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan's "Ruddigore". The inclusion of this song required Kevin Kline, Angela Lansbury, and Rex Smith to sing one of most dizzyingly rapid songs in the entire Gilbert and Sullivan catalog. In this version several lines of dialogue and song lyrics have been changed to be comprehensible to an American audience. Thus "Can it be Custom House?" becomes "Can it be the Coast Guard?" Towards the end of the film, the pirates and police interrupt a production of "H.M.S. Pinafore" (also by William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan). Pirates of Penzance was shown on a Los Angeles television movies channel - SelecTV - simultaneously with its theatrical release. This was only the second time that something like this had been tried - in 1956, Laurence Olivier's 1955 film version of Shakespeare's "Richard III" had its U.S. premiere in New York City and its television premiere on NBC on the same day. Like "The Pirates of Penzance", "Richard III" was also a box office flop, but unlike the former film, "Richard III" won universal acclaim from the critics, became a film classic, and was not boycotted during its theatrical run. A boom on the Pirates' ship carries the friendly label "Watch Your Head." This is visible during the "I am a Pirate King" number. Although the chorus consists of British performers, they are all lip-synching to the American singers from the original Broadway production. The film's failure at the box office had nothing to do with the reviews, which were often quite positive. The real problem lay with Universal's decision to release the film simultaneously to SelectTV and to theaters. Theater owners were so angry that they boycotted the film; in the end, a grand total of 92 theaters agreed to show it, and it enjoyed a long run at only one of them (in Washington, DC, where it became a cult success and played several weeks). Estelle Parsons was the only member of the six-person principal cast (Kline, Smith, Rondstadt, Azito, Rose, Parsons) not to appear in the film. She was replaced with Angela Lansbury for Ruth The Broadway production of "The Pirates of Penzance" by William S. Gilbert and Arthur Sullivan opened at the Uris Theater in New York on January 8, 1981 and ran for 787 performances. The musical received four Tony Award nominations for acting including George Rose and Tony Azito who both recreated their roles in the movie version. Linda Ronstadt was nominated for the 1981 Tony Award (New York City) for Actress in a Musical for "Pirates of Penzance" and recreated her role in the film based on this production. Kevin Kline won the 1981 Tony Award (New York City) for Actor in a Musical for "The Pirates of Penzance" and recreated his role in this production. Reportedly, during casting for this movie, John Travolta lost out to Kevin Kline in getting the lead role of The Pirate King. Also, here are the music credits regarding orchestration/etc.: Music Department Peter Asher.... music producer William Elliott.... composer: additional music William Elliott.... music adaptor William Elliott.... orchestrator Frank Filipetti.... music recording engineer Martin Grupp.... music coordinator Chris Kelly.... music editor (as Christopher Kelly) John Strauss.... supervising music editor James Wow....just a bit of information there James, Thanks for all of this! I don't recall the details you mentioned about select-tv and a boycott at all, but then I was living in San Francisco at the time. I saw the film in widescreen at The Castro Theater and as you can imagine, the audience really really approved of the film a lot - I remember. And of course, comments from fellow audience members sitting around me whenever Rex Smith came onscreen in his tight-Pirate-Pants. We loved the film, particularly the lines (paraphrasing here) "....with all our faults we love our Queen." (These were the rough and tough pirates singing that line - eh..it was The 80's). Sometime later, I saw the live performance of 'Pirates' at The Warfield Theater on Market Street with Joanne Worley in the role of Ruth. (she wasn't bad at all as I can recall). Kevin Kline had one of his very best performances as The Pirate King. I didn't see him in N.Y., but his performance in the film is absolutely smashing! 
| | | | | | | | | |  |  |  | Posted: | Jul 12, 2010-4:54 PM | | | By: | SchiffyM(Member) | Ironically, more dated than the originals, which are a century older! You've got to be kidding. It's a classic, and it's still performed countless times every year. It's timeless. I think you misread my post. Yes, it's a classic. I adore it. I was referring to the reduced orchestrations backed by (if I'm recalling correctly) synths to fill out the smaller sound, a pragmatic choice for performances in Central Park, but carried over to film for creative reasons, I suppose. The last time I saw the film (a good ten years ago, if not more), I was struck by how thin and dated these orchestrations sound, compared to the originals, which are as vibrant as ever. 
| | | |  |  |  | Posted: | Jul 13, 2010-3:03 AM | | | By: | Score Whore(Member) | Ironically, more dated than the originals, which are a century older! You've got to be kidding. It's a classic, and it's still performed countless times every year. It's timeless. I think you misread my post. Yes, it's a classic. I adore it. I was referring to the reduced orchestrations backed by (if I'm recalling correctly) synths to fill out the smaller sound, a pragmatic choice for performances in Central Park, but carried over to film for creative reasons, I suppose. The last time I saw the film (a good ten years ago, if not more), I was struck by how thin and dated these orchestrations sound, compared to the originals, which are as vibrant as ever. I'm sorry, I did misread your post. However, it can be construed that you are saying the Papp production is more dated than the dated original production. 
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